Ep. 132: Before and After the Trial

There exists a world of opportunities in the days immediately before and after a given trial. What we choose to do with our dogs during these days can have an immense impact on our performance on trial day or how we rebound afterwards.

In this episode, we discuss some of the things to consider when deciding what to do before and after trial. This is an enormous topic, so this discussion is more geared toward getting everyone thinking. We have some exciting resources coming up that we think will really help in this regard including these two upcoming live webinars:

• What to Do: Days Before a Trial Webinar
• What to Do: Days After a Trial Webinar

Additionally, we strongly recommend everyone check out Holly Bushard's Strategic Trialing - Choosing Which Venue and When Webinar, it is superb.

Speaker:

Dianna L. Santos

TRANSCRIPT

Dianna L. Santos (00:00):
Welcome to the All About Scent Work Podcast. In this podcast we talk about all things Scent Work, that can include training tips, a behind scenes look of what your instructor or trial official is going through and much more. In this episode, I want to talk about before the trial and after the trial, what do we do? So before we start diving into the episode itself, let me do a very quick introduction of myself. My name is Dianna Santos. I'm the Owner and Lead Instructor of Scet Work University. This is an online do training platform where you provide online courses, seminars, webinars, virtual events and eBooks that are all centered around Scent Work. So regardless of where you are in your sniffing journey, you're just getting started, you're looking to develop some more advanced skills, you're interested in trialing or you're competing even at the upper levels, we likely have a training solution for you. So now that you know a little bit more about me, let's dive into the episode itself.

(00:51):
So in this episode I want to talk about the concept of deciding what it is that we're going to be doing before we go to a trial and after we go to a trial. And this is something that I've thought about and talked about for a while, but Holly Bushard just did an absolutely fantastic webinar for us called Strategic Trialing, Choosing Which Venue and When Webinar. And she talks about a whole slew of different things that we should be considering as far as choosing the different venues that we may want to compete in because here in the United States, there's lots of them thinking about our journey as a whole, what we want our end goal to be. So as an example, if you were interested in competing in the super upper levels that we should be basically shooting for that goal and not just kind of getting by the skin of our teeth in the lower levels.

(01:42):
There's really good stuff in there. Highly recommend you check it out even if you are experienced. There's lots of good stuff in that presentation. So I'll make sure there's a link for that webinar in the podcast episode description, and we'll be posting this up on our website and social media as well. So highly recommend you check that out. The big thing that I loved was what Holly was touching upon is the way that we could be more mindful and thoughtful about the way that we approach trialing the different types of decisions that we make. One of the things that really stood out to me or reaffirmed something that I've been mulling over for a while is the kinds of decisions that we make heading into a trial and the kinds of decisions that we make coming out of a trial when we are heading into a trial, meaning the couple of days leading up to it, a lot of people are like, well, I'm not really sure exactly what I should be doing.

(02:37):
Should I be reviewing everything? Should we be doing a bunch of challenging searches? Should we do a bunch of foundation searches? Should we be doing any searches at all? Should I be going to class? Should I be doing something else? What should I do? And the same is also true on the back end of a trial. So you finish a trial, you went to a trial over a weekend, and maybe you typically have class on Monday or Tuesday. Well, what should you be doing in that class? Particularly if, let's say you went to a three day trial, you went Friday, Saturday, Sunday with your dog. They were entered in all the things. Well, now what do I do? And the very unsatisfactory answer to the question is it depends and everyone's going to have different approaches that they take for themselves, their dogs, their teams, but also the situation.

(03:31):
But I think there are some generalities that we can consider when we're deciding what to do and why it is we may want to do certain things over others. So let's talk about before the trial. My general take on this is I want to make certain that I am setting the handler and the dog and the team up for as much success as possible when they go to the trial. The trial is a test, so I want them to be on the best footing possible. That means I want them to be as confident as they can be. I want them to be as enthusiastic as possible. I want them to be well rested. I want them to feel well. I don't want them to be sore or have upset tummies or any kind of ickiness. I want to remove as much of that as possible.

(04:19):
The way of accomplishing that is going to be entirely different depending on what's going on in that team's lives. And you're like, what are you talking about? Well, life happens, right? You may have had to put in a really big project at work or maybe you had to work overtime or maybe there was a field trip for your children or maybe there was something going on with your family or maybe there was a pipe that busted in your house or apartment. Who knows? Life is very good at happening. So all of that can cause an increased amount of stress. Maybe not as much time. Maybe you aren't able to do all the different types of little routines and habits that you had developed, which would help get you into the best mental state to go to a trial. That's important to keep in mind. If that's true, let's say the week leading up to the trial, everything is going wrong.

(05:17):
Well, we wouldn't want to add in more stuff. I probably wouldn't want to do any kind of practicing personally if I feel that the stress is just bearing down on me and I'm holding on by a thread. I don't know if I want to even do easy foundational searches. If before all the craziness happened, we were doing great. I was on, my dog was on searching was awesome, but now this week has happened and it's like, yikes, all this other stuff is happening that has nothing to do with Scent Work, but I have a trial on Saturday. Maybe I'm just going to try to take it easy. I'm just going to try to reduce my stress as much as I conceivably can, considering that life is like, it's really crazy right now. I'm going to try to keep the stress down for my dog too.

(06:06):
If I'm stressed, my dog is stressed and I want to try to control that as much as possible. Do I want to inject the possibility that I throw together research where my brain isn't entirely there and things kind of go left right before I go to the trial? Probably not. That's probably not going to work out really well. It could backfire spectacularly. That's what I'm saying is that we have to consider the reality on the ground as well as what it is that we're hoping to accomplish at the trial itself. Obviously, most of us want to be successful, but the definition of successful also is going to be different for everyone. A lot of people be like, oh, being successful is qualifying, but that may not be true. You may not actually be working towards that as your goal. You may have been rebuilding your team.

(06:55):
You may have been taking a break from trialing and maybe you entered this trial as FEO or for exhibition only. So you're not actually going to qualify it anyway, but you're trying to show yourself and your dog and your team, we can't do this and we're not going to die. This is a good thing that can happen. We're trying to get our sea legs. We're building up our confidence, we're making this fun. Again, these things happen and I applaud people who take that approach. It's very, very, very smart. But the point being is that if that was your goal, we want to have a good experience at trial, then we want to make certain we're setting ourselves up for that to happen. But if we did a bunch of jamming in of really difficult challenging training that was really pushing us the Monday to Friday before the Saturday trial, that may not work out so well.

(07:46):
That may backfire on us. Now, could there an argument be made that, well, you should keep it fresh in the dog's mind, in your mind what it is that you're doing? Sure, but maybe we could do that with foundational exercises that are underlining the underlining premise of what we want, thinking more of an emotional context of what the game is without all the stress that just comes along in the pressure with being at a trial, being judged, being at a different place, all the different people, all the different dogs, all that good jazz. So thinking about what it is that we're trying to accomplish besides the cue, right? Many of us are like, I would like to qualify. Please, maybe I would like to title, but it's also the way that you do. So there are cues that I'm going to go out on a limb and say almost all of us would be able, if you were being honest, would be able to say, you know what?

(08:39):
I qualified, but that was a really gross search. I would rather the searches don't be like that all the time. That was a mess. We qualified, but it was not pretty. I don't want to do that all the time. I don't feel really good. My dog was kind of confused. It was kind of a mess, but we did qualify. We wouldn't want to repeat that for now and ever, so that's not really what we're looking for. We got the cue, but that wasn't really the really smooth together team dance, the oneness that really solid searching can represent. We're like, oh, I'm on the same wavelength as my dog. This is awesome. That's what we're looking for. So then what can we do before the trial, the days leading up to it to ensure that that can actually happen? And again, repeating myself, it depends. It depends on what's going on.

(09:30):
If you don't have all those crazy life things going on, nothing crazy with work or family or just life, it's pretty just run of the mill. We're good. I'm nice and even keel. My dog is nice and even keel. Maybe you are going to class, maybe your classes again Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, not so bad, and you can discuss with your instructor, Hey, by the way, we're going to a trial over the weekend and let them know what you entered in. Let them know it is one thing to say, I'm going to a trial. It's a whole other thing to say, well, actually I'm going to a three day trial. I've entered in all the things and all the things are, let's say for AKC, I'd entered into, I'm finishing up my Novice Elite titles and I'm also entered into Master. That's a lot, right?

(10:15):
That's a lot of stuff. So your instructor might say, okay, well why don't we do some motivational searches? Why don't we do some searches where your dog has to find one hide and then they also have to find an unknown number of hides and then we end the session with a nice one known hide for you. That may be even as paired as an example. You don't have to follow that formula to the letter, but the point being is that if you can partner with your instructor to really key them in, this is what I'm doing, they can then change and shift things potentially so that they're putting you and your dog on the best path possible. They're not taking any deductions from the bank that you're trying to draw from as far as confidence, energy level, the confirmation that you both understand what it is that you need to do, that the game is solid, right?

(11:10):
There are absolutely times when we are at class whether, again, I've experienced this as a student, I've experienced this as an instructor, where the point is to kind of stretch everybody is to kind of get it so that you experience something and may not totally grasp it in class, but you're supposed to spend some time over the next week practicing and then it gets a little bit clearer, but it may be kind of mushy. It may be kind of wacky during the class itself. That may not be the best time to do that before you're going to go into trial. It may not be the best thing in class to suddenly, you know what? We're really going to try to address a foot issue, so we're going to experiment a little bit with a bunch of things that the dog has been doing to elicit a foot response and then just show them that that doesn't work, and then we're going to try to work through some things that ideally you're going to continue practicing over the week and then we're going to address it in the next class.

(12:09):
Well, maybe that's not the really best thing to be doing right now, right? Because we're going to be going to trial over the weekend. We don't want the dog thinking, oh, foot may work, particularly if they have been doing pretty well. Maybe foot shows up when they're under a lot of pressure, but the trial is a lot of pressure. I understand, but maybe we could do foundational exercises where we're really stressing to the dog. We don't need foot. Foot is not necessary. We just need to do this to find our hide. You're like, oh, Santos, just tell me what to do, and the thing is that can't, that's kind of the whole point is you need to decide what it is that you and your team need, but that it should be a thoughtful, mindful consideration of where you are, where you are, where your dog is, where your team is, what's been going on, what is that you're coping with, and the thing that you're entering in, what classes are you entering in?

(13:08):
What are the different challenges you're going to be encountering? You probably are not familiar exactly with the space that you're going to the trial site, but generally speaking, am I going to a fairgrounds? Am I going to a boys and girls club? Am I going to a school? Am I going to a museum? Am I going to a camp, whatever? Are there things there that I know that my dog is like, oh my god, there's a lot of water. Okay, well, that's something for us to think about that we're going to be working through those things at the trial. Does that mean that I want to spend a whole lot of time taking my dog maybe to the beach Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday to get the water out of their system? I don't know. It depends on the dog. For some dogs that's just going to put water on the forefront of their mind.

(13:57):
For other dogs, it could absolutely be like, you know what? I got to swim all those other days. I'm good. Again, it depends, but thinking about these things and making this kind of plan as far as what is it that I'm dealing with right now and what can I do going into the trial can really help us? Some common pitfalls I think that people fall into is they identify because they trial week to week to week to week, week. They have a trialing weekend the first week of the month and they're going into a trial the second weekend of the month, and they had some kind of issue in week one. The dog was trapped in pooling and trapping as an example, or the dog fringed or they threw a false Alert or whatever, and they say, okay, we're now going to drill that for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday leading up to the second trial, and it's not that we shouldn't be addressing what we experience, but we got to think about again, how long does it take for these things to really sort themselves out?

(15:04):
Is the dog learning something? Is the dog just going through the motions? Do we actually understand what happened? Are we evaluating what occurred at the trial correctly? Are we just injecting a lot of emotion into it? So very quickly when we are doing training, there's a process that's involved as far as the experience of the dog. Again, think about this outside this network to help it make more sense. When we train the dog something new, let's say we're working on having a really nice tight sit and we want that sit and heel position. When we are first introducing the concept to the dog, the sit is going to be a little crooked. The sit is going to be their butt's going to be a little bit out. They're not going to be as tight to us as we want, so we're really trying to shape where it is we want them to be, and that's going to be a process, but suddenly they do exactly what we want.

(16:00):
We're like, oh, it's so exciting. We reset the dog and we ask them to do it again, and they may very well the next time do it correctly. Great, that's awesome. So we're so excited. We reward them and then we reset them again, and then they come back and maybe it's right again. This is awesome. We do another repetition. We reset the dog. The dog comes back, and all of a sudden it is nowhere near where we thought it was. We thought, this is great. The dog has got it, and suddenly they're not even sitting at our side. They're sitting in front of us, they're laying down, they're doing twirls, whatever. We're like, what happened? Now, a lot of times that's because we pushed too far. We did one too many, but there is a part of learning where the dog is experimenting. They're trying to figure out what exactly it is that they need to do.

(16:51):
They haven't truly grasped it yet, so we have to get through this experimentation phase before they're actually solid with whatever it is that we're trying to teach them. Why does this matter at all? When we go back to this whole idea of I experienced something the first weekend of the month, and then I want to make sure that I'm mastering all those skills before I go to the second weekend. I have another trial. If these are complicated issues or the dog is truly learning something new, we quite frankly may not have the time in order to get through that whole learning process to get to the next trial. We may still be in experimentation mode by the time we get to that second trial, that could be a problem. Again, this is one of the reasons why personally, I prefer for people to not enter into trials every single weekend.

(17:40):
There's lots of reasons for this, but one is just quite simply time. You may need to have a little bit more time to digest what happened at the first trial, diagnose whether or not you need to address anything, and then take the time to actually do that and really again, rebuild the confidence that you have in both yourself, your dog, your overall team to ensure the dog understands what the game is really about. Because again, Holly did a fantastic job in this webinar. One of the things that she said was that trialing is untraining and that is absolutely true, so we would want to redo some training to reaffirm what it is we want them to do. This is why it works in concert. We have to think about what we're doing before the trial and after the trial. They kind of go hand in hand.

(18:31):
We want to set our dogs and ourselves and our teams up for success going into the trial, and then we want to clean up what happened at the trial afterwards, but how we go about doing that matters. This is an enormous topic. This podcast is not going to be able to cover everything at all. There are probably going to be webinars and things about that, and it's still not going to be enough. It's huge, but I just want people to think about it going into the trial. I need to think about what it is that I'm trying to set my team up for. How is it that I'm putting them with the best pawn foot forward so that we could be successful, and again, what successful means is going to change from team to team? Let's say that we did that. We decided whichever tact it was going to be, which again, there's a variety of different things that can work in a variety of different situations.

(19:24):
We went to the trial. Things happened at the trial. There were some successes. Maybe there were some things that we thought that could be a little bit better. Maybe there were some things like we got a no as an example, or maybe a dog wasn't comfortable in a given space. Maybe our brain just totally turned off. We dropped our leash, we got tangled. Who knows, right? There were some things in there like, okay, that did not go great. They were learning opportunities, have fun. Now we need to basically really address what happened at the trial and we need to do that as objectively and honestly and without a emotion as we possibly can, and again, I know I keep mentioning it, but Holly did such a great job with this presentation. She talks about this as well that she tries to video as many of her searches as possible from trial, and then she wants to watch them multiple times and there may be different days that she watches those videos, and I think that this is extraordinarily just powerful from a concept of over the years, over my entirety of my career, several of my colleagues have offered these different types of insights, which again are brilliant, of just recognizing that we're people and we are emotionally invested in what we are doing.

(20:43):
That includes a trial sometimes exceedingly, and that can be from my standpoint, lots of nerves, but this can be a very emotionally taxing thing that we're doing, but it could put an emotional spin on it where we may not be able to objectively evaluate what's going on. We're too invested, so one of the things that you may have heard over the years, which I think is very good, is once you're done with a search, just concentrate on celebrating with your dog. Don't try to evaluate anything right then and there. It's too fresh. Just party, party, party, party, party because your dog tried their best. That may not have meant a cue, that may not have meant any of the things that you were going for, but they tried their best party, party, party, party, party, best dog that ever lived. You get back to your spot, give thumbs up to people as you're going into the parking lot, don't talk about, please don't ever talk about what's going on in the searches regardless.

(21:43):
Don't ever do that, but just focus on being with your dog, right for that span of time and then just give yourself time to decompress. What you do from there is going to change on your personality. If you're really dying to see like, okay, so what happened? Go inside your car, close all the windows because no one can hear or see anything. Ideally, don't play the video with any volume and you can watch your GoPro back as an example. If you think you can emotionally do that in that moment, there's lots of people who can't where they're not going to be seeing it in a way that's actually going to be helpful. They're either going to be focusing too much on the things that went badly. They're going to be looking at just too emotionally like they're upset about it, and that can color the rest of the searches that you're doing for the rest of the trial.

(22:37):
That would be bad, but there are some people who are able to look at it with a very specific goal. Did I handle my leash? Well, I did here, here, here, and it got kind of icky and then it got better. Okay, so I'm going to really focus on my leash work again, just as an example. The point being is that videos are exceedingly helpful. They can help keep us more honest, but the key word in there is help. We still have to be honest ourselves and that may require forcing ourselves to watch the videos multiple times over multiple days with really clear objectives of what we're looking for in those videos, focusing maybe on the dog for one, focusing on ourselves, focusing on our teamwork. Then looking back, specific things about the dogs. Did they ask any questions? Were they doing any displacement behaviors?

(23:34):
Were they getting involved in distractors? How many times did they try to tell me about the hide? Were they focusing on the ring crew? All this different type of stuff. We can get really super specific. We can get specific about ourselves even if we're wearing a GoPro. Am I oriented towards my dog? Am I looking in other places? Can I hear myself? Can I hear, I'm sighing, I'm groaning. I'm talking a lot to my dog. Whatever. You can get really to the minutiae of this stuff, and it's not to tear apart your dog yourself or your team. That's not the point. The point is to recognize what actually happened and then come up with a plan of what it is that you may need to do, but that takes time, right? You need to give yourself a little bit of grace to say you may not be in the best head space to be able to do that five minutes after you got out of that search.

(24:28):
You may not be able to do it a day after that search or two days. It all depends, right? This is where talking about what to do after the trial matters is that you may need some time before you're able to even evaluate what happened. We shouldn't just be throwing things at the wall and hoping something sticks. Using our videos can actually help us determine, you know what? We got a no in that search, but my dog was really clear that they had found it. I read it correctly and it was an elevated hide, but they just wanted us to be a little bit closer or whatever. You know what? I think my training is fine. I think it's just okay, this was just Scent Work God's giveth and the Scent Work God's taketh way. It's just one of those situations that would be an entirely different interpretation than if we hadn't taken the time to see that and just said, oh my God, my dog has no idea how to do elevation.

(25:21):
I said, but no, actually they do and you do too. You read your dog correctly. Great, awesome. Sometimes we get accused, sometimes we don't. Evaluating what actually happened and also trying to properly diagnose what's going on. My dog marked inside of the search area. Obviously we would want to make certain that they don't do that anymore, but why did they mark in the search area? That's what this time should be devoted to is getting underneath is really figuring out the root of the issue. Particularly if your dog just suddenly started marking, okay, well, is there something going on? Are you doing other dog sports with them as well, and they're also pulling bars and agility and they're not finding their rats and barn hunt and they're not being as tight and close and rally. We can start putting together a picture like maybe there's something physically wrong with my dog, or it could be something entirely different.

(26:24):
The point being is that you want to really get to the root of figuring out what happened and why did it happen, because then from there, I can make an informed decision about what to do now, when to do all this. The evaluation in my opinion, should probably 24 hours after you've actually finished your trial because a lot of people, they're going to a trial, they're traveling to it, even if it's in a town, a city over, even if it's in the same state, you're probably staying at a hotel. That means that you're checking out, you're doing all this stuff, you're traveling back home. You're probably not getting home until it's later. You and your dog are spent. You guys are tired. Take some time to just decompress. Then give yourself some time to watch these videos again, multiple times, so you're probably not going to be doing anything if we're looking at the calendar, you get home on Saturday night, Monday, just take Monday off Tuesday.

(27:24):
We're looking at our videos and maybe you're just anxious for it. Looking at it Monday night, we're looking at our videos Monday night and Tuesday and we're starting to get a better idea about what really happened and maybe by Wednesday we're coming with some ideas of why those things happened, and then you can start figuring out, do I have something to fix or do I have something to clean up? Those are two different things. Fixing is there's something that's actually just completely wrong. I was looking for one plus one equals two, and instead I got one plus one equals apple. That's a problem. I need to fix that. Cleaning up is I got the question is one plus one equals two, and the answer I got was one plus one, but it's a really faded two. It's kind of like a two. It's like a two with a question mark.

(28:19):
The answer is correct. It just needs a little finagling. Those are two entirely different situations, so you would wanted to figure out, am I just cleaning something up? Am I reaffirming something? Am I making the game the purpose of the game and the key points I care about source as an example. I don't want you to tell about the odor that's 10 feet away from the hide. I want you to tell me about where the hide is, that kind of thing. Am I dealing with that kind of issue or am I dealing with, yeah, feet aren't necessary. We're not supposed to be scratching at the hides. That's a fixing problem. That's not a reaffirming thing. We need to fix this. Those are entirely different situations, and then I need to look at the rest of my calendar like, okay, if I have another trial coming up, what did I enter in and what is realistic based upon what we just experienced? And one I have determined from my videos is actually going on.

(29:18):
A lot of times, particularly if you're staying in the same level in the lower levels in particular, you may not have some big like, oh my God, I need to fix this. It may be more of a, we're just trying to shore things up, so in that situation, probably making sure that you are providing exercises and things to help the dog feel more confident, to help you feel confident, so you can go into this next thing is going to be great, right? For the upper levels, it could be exceedingly helpful for the dog to be like, okay, we just went to, let's say a detective trial and wow, that was hard, but it was good. We got through it. I got a cue. I found all the things, and now we're going into another detective trial because we're trying to get our detective title. Maybe it'd be really nice leading into that that we have searches that aren't detective level, but we're still wanting the dog to get to source, to be focused, to be confident and tenacious and resilient, but it's not.

(30:26):
We want you to find X number of hides in X amount of time and with all this pressure, so that's why I'm saying is that what we do before the trial and after the trial absolutely matters. There's no magical answer to this. There are definitely preferences that I have personally as far as not pushing a team to the absolute brink like on Friday, we're doing the craziest exercise we could possibly think of. Generally speaking, I don't think that's a great idea. I also, generally speaking, like to give teams a little bit of a break after a trial, and then again, we're rebuilding them again. Are there outliers for those things? Of course there are. Could it be that you tried that and it didn't work as well as you would've liked? Sure. Then you would want to experiment and figure out why is that? What is it that your team needed that approach didn't work for?

(31:18):
It could also be that you've had a certain approach, what you do before and after trials, and then things change. Your life changes, life happenings change. You're changing the type of trials that you're entering into. You're changing the types of classes you're entering, the type of organizations you're competing with. There's all kinds of variables. When things change, then you may need to change your approach a little bit, but the big thing I want to leave you with like, oh, please do, is that this time before and after the trial matters and it can be gold if we use it well, it shouldn't just be haphazard, okay? We just go through the motions. Really think about how you can set yourself up for success leading into the trial, how you can evaluate what really happened at that trial, and then use that information afterwards to rebuild your team to determine what you may need to work on in the longterm to determine whether or not you know what we really shouldn't be trialing this next weekend.

(32:20):
We're going to scratch whatever we should use this time and not just allow it to pass by. Like, oh, well, we have a trial coming up on this weekend. I'm focusing on the weekend. Well, there's still Monday through Friday. That's really valuable time and you can use it to your advantage, but I don't want anyone to take that as That means I have to do all the things Monday through Friday. Really maximizing that time may mean doing just the opposite, doing very little, but mindfully, doing very little, doing relaxation exercises, doing socialization things with your dog, where they're spending time with you, where there are other activities that don't have anything to do with at work, but make you and your dog feel awesome. That brings the stress level way down. Going for hikes, going to the beach, just spending a day on the couch, whatever.

(33:20):
There's so many different options, but when we focus too much on the trial, we can again, get those blinders on and be like, that means I got to practice all the set work things. Not necessarily. You may want to do some of this other stuff and you want to figure out for this situation, what is best leading into the trial and afterwards, oh, Santos has hurt my head so much, and again, I apologize. This is an enormous topic. We are working on several resources about this. Something that I'm very, very excited about. It's going to take a little bit of time for me to put it together, but I'm very bad at keeping things under wraps, so just stay tuned. I'm going to try to behave myself, but there's things happening, so I'm hoping that this will help everyone, I think will be a really good resource, but I definitely want to hear from all of you.

(34:13):
It would be very helpful for the things that we're working on to get some feedback on this of what your experience has been leading up to trials and after trials. Where do you think your head is at? How do you think that going to class interacts with your planning and how it affects your trial experience? Post the class, going to the trial and the class? After attending a trial, I would love to hear all kinds of things, so give me as much feedback as you like. Again, we'll be posting this episode up on the Scent Work University website as well as our social media, so you can post any of your questions or comments there. We'd love to hear from you continue with our Spotlight series, so if you have any individuals or businesses that are giving back to the separate community, please let me know.

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I wanted to talk to them, and we are doing outside interviews like you keep saying that I know, but we really are expect those very, very, very soon. I'm still trying my best to beg with technology to have prior interviews be saved. It's not looking promising, but I'm trying my best. If we need to redo those interviews, we will, but we will be hearing from other people, so you'll be very excited to listen to other people talk then just me. Yay. But as always, thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate all of your support. Please give a cookie to your puppies for us, happy training, and we look forward to seeing you soon.